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Heroes & Villains CategoriesEdit

Neocarleen, I understand that you have deleted 2 categories that goes under the names of Heroes & Villains a few months back, and I wanna ask you this, Why delete those categories?

I know you said that they were Unnecessary pages, but how were they so unnecessary? like, didn't we get heroes like Mint-Berry Crunch, & villains like Mecha-Streisand in South Park?

from GodzillaIsland7.2

~ Because they were so abused. Users would add them to every single character, usually just for Achievement Boosting. The admins were getting annoyed with constantly moderating those two specific categories, and they just weren't worth it. MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 00:54, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! those people really need to not care about Achievement Boosting & care more about the character's true nature, Right?

from GodzillaIsland7.2

Image ProjectEdit

Me and Niko finished the image project. I made a blog post about it but I was unsure of how to put it in the news category. Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 20:49, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

~ ... You... You finished it? You guys are incredible!
If you still need something to do, you can go through some of the other ones. A lot of them do have images, but they are poorer quality. MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 06:51, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Season 16 start timeEdit

It was officially announced on the South Park FAQs that Season Sixteen starts on March 14, 2012. The slider time goes to April 1, 2012. (Proved my many internet calculators. Also, if you type from November 24 (date of this post)tto March 14, 2012, it's 111 days and not the 129 days on the slider.) Thanks. Cartermac4 22:26, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

~ Thank you. I was waiting until South Park Studios officially announced the date. I knew it would be sometime in March or April, so I just put the countdown to April 1st in the meantime. I've updated it now, so now it's accurate. MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 06:51, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

The Raisins Girls & More Edit

Hi Neocarleen. Me and Manic The Hedgehog were looking over the fanon-based names for the unnamed Raisins girls, and we find that nonfactual information "cheapens" the wiki, a naming scheme for them could be created. I, as well as Manic The Hedgehog, are hoping to keep the wiki as factual as possible. An example of which a fanon-based name is removed is that of Mrs. McCormick. We are hoping, that, if you agree, we can remove these fanon-based names and replace with a naming scheme. We are hoping that we can merge all of the unnamed Raisins girls into one page, which provides all of the info on the unnamed girls', which is not a lot, so the page should not become cluttered or messy. The information on each page is generally repetitive, and we believe we can merge it into one page beautifully. If any of the unnamed Raisins' girls are expanded upon in future episodes, it would be easy to remove her from the page and give her her own article, much like Lexus or Mercedes. The pages in question are: Volvo, Acura, Saturn, Savana, Kia, Honda, Audi, Infiniti, and Hyundai. Also, it seems that the black hair category is useless, considering we have hair color in the character template. We think it falls under "over-categorization", and therefore, should be removed from the wiki. Thanks and have a nice day! Nikolaitttt 05:16, November 26, 2011 (UTC) & Manic The Hedgehog

~ You're right, and I completely agree. Feel free to make a combined article for them using whatever naming scheme you deem fit.
I appreciate your continual contributions to the wiki. It would be worthless with dedicated editors like you. I have just given the rollback ability so you can continue to do the excellent job you're doing.
MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 06:04, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Neocarleen, I'm working on merging the pages. I have also nominated the Characters with Black Hair Category to be deleted, could you delete it? Thanks and have a nice day! :). Nikolaitttt 20:25, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

~ I can delete the category, but you should go through all the pages and take the category off of them first. MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 20:48, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Neo! I went ahead and removed all of the characters from the category. The category can be deleted. We were also thinking of starting a character project where we go to all of the character pages and make sure they all have the character template. Niko and Aguziel are making really good headway on The Raisins Girls page. It looks pretty cool! Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 21:36, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Concerning Shipping Edit

Hi, I have a little query regarding a specific trivia entry on the Ass Burgers/Trivia page. I originally stuck this query on that article's discussion page, but seeing as no one has replied, I'm assuming nobody looks at the discussion logs of sub-pages of episode articles.

Anyway, the trivia entry in question:

"When the two creepy boys comment that Kyle and Wendy should 'just screw and get it over with', it is making fun of those who create online fanfiction that dives deeper into characters' relationships. Matt Stone has been asked how he feels about these in the past and he simply said, 'I try not to think about it.'"

In regards to the bolded part, I've been wondering whether a reliable source exists for this claim. I found it a little out of character for him, I never would've thought he'd find it disturbing, if nothing else I thought he'd find it mildly hilarious. A number of search attempts later, the closest thing I got to was this: (which was from an online interview dated to around 2005; I figure another statement could have been made since then)

Interviewer: "What do you think about South Park fanfiction? Especially the more adult variety?"
Matt Stone: "Never read any fanfiction. Sorry. I guess I'm afraid it will be good."

My reasons for inquiring are twofold; firstly, I think an evaluation of the veracity of this statement is necessary in order to maintain the factual integrity of this Wiki; and secondly, I think shipping is, err, really great and I'd like to find out what Matt and Trey actually think about it. Are you aware of any interview wherein Matt expressed that sentiment?

I figured you'd be the most knowledgeable on the subject, so I thought if anyone knew it'd be you. If all else fails I'll go find out who added the trivia entry and ask them directly. Anyway, thanks in advance. - Gastropod 13:39, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

~ The only thing I can can find on the subject is from a fans interview on a South Park Sudio board back in 2005. Matt Stone said he "Never read any [South Park Slash]. Probably wouldn't like it. But never tried it so can't say...." The full Q&A is here. (See #27).

MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 20:48, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the heads-up! I'll go back and change that specific trivia entry for the time being; if anyone comes up with any evidence to support the initial claim, they can always add it back with an adequate citation - Gastropod 13:31, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Rollback Edit

Whoa, thanks for the rollback rights (if this isn't a mistake). I will not let you down. - Gastropod 01:14, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Original Bass to Mouth Episodical IconEdit

Excuses me, Neocarleen, but I just wanted to ask you this, Where should I put this picture?

Should I put it on the Bass to Mouth/Trivia article or should I put it on the South Park Episodical Icons article?

You decide.

from GodzillaIsland7.2

~ The best place would be on the South Park Episodical Icons page, under the Trivia section.

Boosters Edit

Hi Neocarleen. I'd like to warn you of a potential booster, GodzillaIsland7.2, he seems to be going through pages and removing spaces, which has no effect on the article itself. I did ask him to stop, and he did, then he went through adding all the spaces back in (instead of just rolling back, since he has rollback rights), getting him even more edits. He has also removed this message twice, which is a violation of the rules about not editing others' talk pages.

P.S.: Godzillaisland7.2, I have taken screenshots of this message as well as screenshots of logs, showing you removing my message to Neocarleen. Don't do remove this message again, you're only digging yourself a deeper hole.

- Nikolaitttt 19:29, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Goth Leader/Tall Goth Edit

I would like to bring to your attention the subject of the "Goth Leader" of "Tall Goth". I am not sure that Goth groups generally have a leader (although yes South Park isn't real life) and though "Tall Goth" may be a fanon name; there has never been an official name for this character. This topic really bugs me because I know "Tall Goth" isn't exactly a good name but I feel it is the most appropriate since others in this group are associated with appearance, e.g. Red Goth and Kindergoth. The only potential act of leadership was inducting Stan into the group, however the rest were also involved in this process. What would help is some canonical back up, like official establishment as the leader or better yet a name. However, I ask you how you feel. I have previously changed pretty much all references on this wiki (as far as I can find) to this character to "Tall Goth". I understand that many think of him as the "Goth Leader" so should I change it all back? Thank you for your attention, Cryptar 21:57, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

  • Thank you. With any luck we can get more information about this character. Cryptar 07:50, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Question Edit

Hi Neocarleen. Manic The Hedgehog has come up with a standardized character guideline (User:Manic The Hedgehog/Sandbox), and we were wondering, for special cases such as Kenny, who have extra sections like "References to Other Media", if we could place such sections in subpages that we would list under "See More", we are trying to avoid subpages, but sections like that are quite long, and the inclusion of them in one article and not the next would break the "standardization" we are attempting. We are also continuing to work on the character template so it does not look as sloppy. Thanks and have a nice day. :).

- Nikolaitttt 02:34, November 28, 2011 (UTC) & Manic The Hedgehog

I changed the word template to guideline. I think the overall goal with this is to make it easier for users to create new characters without guessing how they should do it. What I also want to accomplish is standardize the other characters that arent using the Template:South Park character template. I think it will make the characters look really nice and uniform. I'm still working on the sample linked to above but it's coming along. What do you think? Thanks! :)
Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 04:26, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Manic The Hedgehog Edit

Hi Neocarleen. I would like to recommend Manic The Hedgehog for adminship. Every recent project so far has been a combination of his, mine, yours, and Aguziel's (and others) ideas. He also shows extreme dedication to the wiki. The character project was originally his idea, I think he is dedicated to the standardization and beautification of the wiki. I also believe him being an admin will make it easier for him to work on the character project when another admin is not around. Thanks and have a nice day! :). - Nikolaitttt 16:18, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

~ I agree. He's done a lot of great work for the wiki, and he can do a lot more with administrative abilities.
By the way, the character template looks excellent. Good luck with the character pages.
MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 00:20, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Bureaucrat Status Edit

This is an unexpected and most pleasant surprise. I can say now that I am most thankful, so thankful that I am not sure how to express it... only that I hope to thoroughly use this power for the best interests of the wiki. Cryptar 21:24, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

~ Anon and I are the only Bureaucrats, and both of us aren't very active as of late.
  • It's probably about time I archived my talk page. How would I do that please? Cryptar 22:00, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
~ I did it for you.
  • Ah, thank you. That looks much better now. Cryptar 22:12, November 29, 2011 (UTC)


Wendy TestaburgerEdit

Hi Neocarleen. I, along with Manic The Hedgehog are worried about a strange error in Category:Characters, it seems Wendy Testaburger is under "T" instead of "W". Manic The Hedgehog says he has seen more pages miscategorized as well. We have tried deleting and then readding the category, as well as renaming the page to Wendy, then renaming it back to Wendy Testaburger, and nothing has worked. Another example of this error would be John McCain, he is in M instead of J. Any idea what could be causing these errors in categorization? Thanks and have a nice day.

edit: nevermind, we figured it out :).

- Nikolaitttt 00:04, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

I apologize, I was unable to fix John McCain. I was however able to fix Wendy! :)
Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 00:57, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
~ What did you do to fix Wendy's spot in the category list? MysterionSprite NeocarleenTalk MysterionSprite 08:14, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
There was a template called {DEFAULTSORT: Testaburger, Wendy} and I took it out. Didnt seem to have affected the page at all and it put Wendy back in the Ws. The problem is John McCain didnt have the template. Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 15:02, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

song stuffEdit

I see you removed my song lyrics in the comment section. That is ok. but is there a reason? I thought it was fun and fit the context of the article.Puerto Rico Aguziel Talk Puerto Rico 23:38, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Main Page - "News" Column Edit

Hi Neocarleen. Manic The Hedgehog and I were discussing the main page. We noticed the "News" column is below the SP Answers link and "Wiki News". We have inferred that most users do not scroll down on the main page, because most of the important links are at the top of the page. We feel that this may be impeding user's access to the "News", and therefore, preventing them from seeing guideline changes, information about important topics, and etc. With your permission, we would like to reorder it to be "News" - "Wiki News" - "Link to South Park Answers". Thank you :).

Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon & Nikolaitttt 06:23, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

  • Sure, go ahead.

Random Question Edit

Wendy-formal

Hi Neocarleen. I was wondering, do you know what episode this image is from? Thanks :). - Nikolaitttt 00:31, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Neo :). - Nikolaitttt 07:18, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cartman's AuthoritahEdit

I just checked to see if there was a page for the South Park computer game " Cartman's Authoritah ", and there is none. Can I put one up? TOkun592.

~Sure. Go ahead!
Thank you. TOkun592.

Portal Tab Templates Edit

"Hi Neocarleen. We noticed the portal templates have been removed from Portal:Images, Portal:Characters, and Portal:Scripts. We feel they look better with the portal template, may we put the template back? We are also planning to revamp the template, as well as integrate a tab to link to the episode list. Thanks and have a nice day! :)."

Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon & Nikolaitttt 06:35, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Michael Deets. Edit

Sup Neo. I made some edits to the character "Michael Deets", adding a trivia to it. I just checked it, and all of it is gone. Timothy

Gastropod Edit

Hey Neocarleen. I was talking with Manic The Hedgehog, and we feel that Gastropod would be an excellent administrator. He has shown extreme dedication to the wiki, nearly all of the redesigns are heavily based on his work. He would also be a good candidate for administrator because of the timezone he is located in, which makes him available at times when there are few other admins online, this could potentially lead to quicker combat of vandalism. I apologize if I am bothering you, we would like to promote him, but we do not have capability.
Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon & Nikolaitttt 04:27, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

~ Don't worry about bothering me. Even though I'm not actively editing at the moment, I can still keep up with Bureaucratic responsibilities. That includes establishing admins if we need them.
Gastropod did an amazing job with the redesign, and a night admin would be very helpful. I agree, he is the perfect candidate for administratorship.
NeocarleenTalk 07:55, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
Whoa, dude. I'm kind of at a loss for words at the moment, so I'll just say thanks. On the subject of the South Park Fanon Wiki, I'll try come up with some redesigns over there, but I actually think it looks pretty nice already. Anyway, thanks again for everything, I'll try not to screw up! - Gastropod 13:11, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Slider Locations Image Edit

SliderLocations

Hey Neocarleen, which episode is this from? Thanks! Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 04:42, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Urgent Message about Administration Edit

Good evening Necarleen, it is disappointing that we have to deliver this message but recent problems with a member of the administration have left us no choice. Aguziel has become progressively more disconnected from the team, which has affected his work as well as his ability to administrate, and as a result he has become less cooperative. He chooses to ignore the majority opinion, instead opting to become defensive when challenged. He also seems to disappear when any substantial work starts, only to reappear when the work is done. He has also displayed intimidating and stubborn behavior. We have noticed that he appears to disregard the opinions of other team members.

We have, on numerous occasions, attempted to talk with Aguziel in an attempt to get a better understanding of his point of view. He has refused to cooperate with any of our attempts to approach him. He has decided not to work with us, our opinions, or our team. Although this is just a summary, we would like to elaborate further and provide clarification and reinforcement to any of these issues. We feel that, in order to maintain peace, order, and the overall professionalism of our wiki, we need someone to step in and assist us in working towards a resolution. Thank you and have a good evening!
Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon , Gastropod, and Nikolaitttt 02:06, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Understanding Of The Situation Edit

I apologize for opening a closed situation however I have no understanding of it, due to different time zones it was night time when this kicked off so I did not catch the issue. I am of course speaking of the conflict centering Aguziel. Having proven to be a good editor and helping me to take on a major vandal, I have more or less trusted this user from the start. I understand that we have had some good eggs that have turned bad but I would not guess that this user would be one of them. From my understanding of the situation, Aguziel was blocked and changed to a standard user for not cooperating in the character project and not keeping up with contributions. I do understand that there has been some poor conduct like humoring rude behavior in the chat, but having no understanding of the situation I of course may be completely wrong in every way and apologize if this comes off bad. Please give me some briefing on the situation and hopefully soon we can all move on from it. Cryptar 08:43, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

He refused to be a team player, instead opting to do things on his own, which is fine, but whenever we tried to ask him about it and/or improve what he has done, we were met with an anger-filled defensive "my way or the highway" type of thing. He refused to respect our decisions on issues, instead trying to sneak past us. He acted as if our opinion did not matter, and that his was above all others, basically. He would also expect us to drop everything we were doing if he has an "idea" and then, trying to make us do it for him, while he sits on the sidelines watching instead of contributing. We have tried fixing the problem ourselves many, many times, still only being met with anger and "pity me"-type responses. We are disappointed it had to come this far.

- Nikolaitttt 09:00, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

BlocksEdit

Hey Neocarleen!

This is Kate; I haven't talked to you in a while but hope everything's going well. Aguziel contacted me on Community explaining that he had been blocked and asking for help. I'm not exactly sure what happened to cause issues and wanted to get your feedback.

Let me know if you'd like to pop in chat!

Thanks, Kate_03.png@fandom (talk) 17:27, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

ReplyEdit

The situation actually is the following.

When he refers to "we began to come up with better ways make page layouts and update every page" it means everyone besides him. We would all be in the chat room and when we all started editing for a project, he would consistently disappear only to reappear when we were complete.

When he refers to "One of the two started banning and blocking everyone, even long time users, they completely took control of the wiki." he's referring to a single member who was blocked for a week for serious boosting. A second user, we've tried to re-educate on how to make links. We succeeded, he can make links. "Everyone" is definitely too grand of a term. Only a couple registered users were temporarily blocked for breaking rules, they've since returned. Numerous unregistered IPs, however, have been blocked temporarily for vandalism.

When he refers to " I was recently stripped of my adminship and blocked for a month for supposedly not contributing to the "TEAM" which was these two new admins and all of there changes.", he was removed for an attitude where he thought he was above everyone else. We have a team which consists of more than just two admins. He chose to go off on his own, fine. But, while we were busy doing our projects as a team, he would consistently interject telling us to do stuff saying "I'm not touching that." (Direct quote). He would, is most cases, tell us to do it for him.

When he refers to " I worked hard when I could on their new designs and kept contributing.", he did not. He consistently disappeared when the 3 of us in the chat would do redesigns.

When he refers to "But then when I began doing my own projects and these two undid my changes and said I needed to consult them first. ", he wanted to rearrange some categories, which is a small project. We've told him several times to move the category, yet he refused each time.

Here on South Park Archives there is a rule in place which states if two admins disagree on something, a third is brought in as a tie breaker. We've done that with a third admin and a forth admin. Instead of acknowledging our opinion, he bypasses it. He would consistently rage in the chat and have an "I'm better than all of you" attitude. "I would have made the changes without your consent." is a direct quote from one of such chats.

Recently, he has gone to other wikis' chats and continued to talk bad about South Park Archives and it's administration. He also continues to lie about the entire situation. He's even harassed me on my personal twitter account.

A while ago, we suspected he'd been having problems in his life. We tried to ask him about it and be supportive. We were met with anger and a ragequit. We've suggested several times to take a break, again, we were met with anger. He acknowledged this in another wiki's chat room 8:58 Aguziel "I did. they tried to ask me questions about why I was so sad."

Aside from Nikolaitttt's write up in the above message, this is my input to the situation. His own position fluctuates frequently as well. At one point, in another wiki's chat, he acknowledges he'd made a mistake:

  • Aguziel "I did it to myself. My attitude and wrong actions were leading to the ban for a few weeks. I will admit I made some mistakes and burned some bridges."
  • 8:51 Aguziel "The only thing I can do is wait to come back next month."
  • 9:12 Aguziel I was being bratty in the chat room.
  • 9:13 Aguziel and arguing with people I should have respected as much as they were accepting of me.
  • 9:14 Aguziel when people fight it is best to have separation. I overstepped my bounds.

To be honest, I'm not sure why his position on the issue has changed again.
Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon 18:29, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Attention Active Administrators: Admin Meeting on March 10th Edit

We have chosen to hold an admin meeting on March 10th, 2012. The meeting will take place at 12PM PST (8PM UK, 7AM AU). This meeting is in preparation for Season 16. The meeting will be held in the chat. Admins are expected to attend, lest they be excluded from Season 16 activities. Please mark this date on your calendars. The meeting will take place at 12PM PST (8PM UK, 7AM AU). Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon , Cryptar, Nikolaitttt 19:18, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

HelloEdit

I would like to apologise for my past behavior. After being away for awhile I have reflected on the situation and realised I was wrong. December was a rough month for me and I began to get jealous of Nikolaitttt, Manic The Hedgehog and Gastropods abilities. I felt like quitting a few times last Nov/Dec. But just being a regular user feels much better for me. I have been getting along with Nikolaitttt and Manic The Hedgehog more than when I was an admin. I told you I was not ready. Please accept my apology and thank you. AguzielTalk

00:07, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Baby Fark Edit

Hi Neocarleen! Baby Fark's name is Baby Fark McGee-Zax according to the (official) bluray discs. :). - Nikolaitttt 23:10, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

~ Then the IMDb page is wrong... My bad.
NeocarleenTalk 23:14, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
Babyfark
No problem. :).

- Nikolaitttt 23:18, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

~ Hey, if you have Season 14, could you double check the spelling of "Gok'zarah" and "K'oh Kajanian"?
NeocarleenTalk 23:27, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
-S14.13- Coon vs. Coon & Friends.mkv snapshot 18.27 -2012.03.13 17.32.47-
Coonvcoonandfriends
They are different, unfortunately.

- Nikolaitttt

Chat Edit

Hi Carleen, if you're feeling better we'd love to have you in the chat! New episode gets declared tomorrow; can't wait! Get well soon! Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon

Hey Carleen! Edit

Hey Carleen! If you've got a minute? We'd love to have you in the chat. Craigicon Manic The Hedgehog Wall Craigicon

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