All posts by JohnVMaster
Love Bradley. Red feels like she's missing something.
Wendy, Bebe, Strong Woman, Shelly and Sharon were the only women seen at the party, so if we go by known names, only Bebe or Shelly seem like choices... or maybe his wife isn't in town, or was in the bathroom... can we be one hundred percent sure someone like Heidi or Rebecca couldn't be in the mix? My friend's oc? Who knows?
To be honest, I think it's obvious Trey and Matt left this question open-ended so fans could imagine who they want. The only limiter is they have light skin, so maybe not Nichole.
What do you think needs to be edited?
I don't know how you drew some of these lines, especially among the later seasons.
Seasons 8-10 are really erratic in my opinion, veering from some of the series' best to worst episodes, which some would argue makes them good but for me an inconsistent season is a weak season regardless. I think this stabilizes fully by season 12. There aren't as many wildly great episodes but there's a lot less stinkers.
Seasons 20-21 also have the above stated issues, and I think 21 is the lower point of the two, again because s20 feels more consistent and s21 feels like it jumps up and down in quality. I do think s22 is fine, but if someone said S20-S24 was a bad era I can't totally blame them.
Trey
I don't know why you would bring this up here. That is not our wiki and staff members here cannot edit that wiki.
Fun question!! There are some other missing parents -- Mr. and Mrs. Testaburger, Mr. and Mrs. Stevens, Mr. Donovan, Mr. and Mrs. Daniels, debatably Mr. and Mrs. McArthur, so if it helps they weren't the only ones left out!
They actually suggested they might make six episodes per year if they're doing the movies.
This sounds like a downgrade, but each movie will have the content of 3-4 episodes, so we may be getting the equivalent of 12 episodes instead of 10 in some cases.
When they renegotiated earlier this year through Season 30, they probably clarified with Comedy Central regarding these seasons.
Very bad taste.
@StarPitfan We haven't seen either of Kenny's parents try to actively murder their child onscreen by driving a car into the water, nor have we seen them lock one of their kids up in a basement thinking they were a demon. So 'just as shitty' seems like an exaggeration. I don't think the McCormicks or Tweeks should be seen as 'good parents' but they definitely seem superior to the Stotches.
This whole world is gettin' to me... there's just no trust, no tegridy... so I loaded up my kids, took my wife by the arm... and I'm movin' on out to a Colorado farm!
...by which I mean, I would consider it.
Kenny is popular but most of his hardcore fans left the community when he went three years without a major episode, and none of them are around here, so I agree with you on there. He is a well-liked character but being well-liked and being popular is not the same thing in a fandom.
There is legitimate Kyle hate out there, but I wouldn't call it common. Mostly people who find him too "preachy" or boring as a result of his moral center, easily the most common, as well as people who hold episodes like "SUPER HARD PCness" against him, the tendency to joke about him being an 'abuser' because of the whole Kick the Baby gag, and Cartman stans who take offense to Kyle questioning their sweet baby boy who does nothing wrong (except advocate genocide) which is also becoming more common. There was also MANY years ago an argument Kyle abandoned Stan too easily in "You're Getting Old" but fans hate that episode now so it no longer matters.
Agreed on Family Guy a lot. I've been on record that I think Trey and Matt were pretty juvenile about this and some of their later episodes as they embraced Randy are more like Family Guy than they would ever admit. "Sharon, you slept with Tupac!?" is weirder than some Family Guy cutaways... and that's part of why I laughed at it, absolutely, but it does defuse Trey's defenses of his own writing.
Here we go about Sophie again! Something about Mary Sues that is completely lost in translation is that a Mary Sue is a protagonist the story bends to serve; but in that episode, Scott Malkinson is the protagonist, and Sophie exists as an intentionally idealized version of a woman he could date; the competition is to serve Scott's story by underlining that he can't have what he wants, not to glorify Sophie herself. It's still a shitty episode, but it's not that Sophie is a 'Sue' it's that Scott is an entitled douchebag. Nichole's introduction isn't too different from Sophie's own. I don't even like her much but this narrative is weird to me.
Sheila is a bad person, but I would rank Linda lower as a mother because Linda actively tried to murder her child in "Butters' Very Own Episode" whereas in Sheila's misguided behavior she never actually tried to hurt her children.
Nine of these episodes are classics, and then you have the one where Kyle's dad becomes a dolphin.
I've always found Cartman funnier as a b-story in someome else's episode. "Dead Celebrities" is exactly how I like him, actually. It's funnier when his shitty self is 'ruining' everyone else's good tike than leading the story.
They treat him structurally like a protagonist imo
I don't consider the games canon so without the meth thing, Stephen Stotch takes a huuuuuge lead for BEATING HIS SON and emotionally abusing him.
"I expect extras to rank low because they haven't had the development. PC babies were a one-note joke that wasn't funny the first time around. Characters like Nelly and Lisa are nothing characters. Most F tier characters here I have nothing to say about."
So, okay, this is the key paragraph for my understanding you better!
From the sound of it, you're just ranking characters from favorites to less and less interesting... usually in my experience tier lists are structured in such a way that indifference is more the middle portion of the list, and F tier would be 'characters that the tiermaker actively dislikes or despises, not merely feel indifferent towards. In other cases those indifferent characters tend to not be included at all.
So my point of confusion was thinking you could actively despise 'nothing' characters, which is evidently not at all what you intended to express here.
I don't think "Eat, Pray, Queef" is a great episode but I wouldn't call it cringey or lacking in nuance; I think the use of scatology assisted the point a lot more in adding a level of absurdity to the episode that you can't have in a story like "The Hobbit" that deals with a real-life feminist issue. The queefing isn't hilarious but I think it works for adding a layer of absurdity that underlines the point.
In terms of nuance, well, Matt and Trey aren't capable of writing women with nuance to begin with, much less taking on womens' issues which will never affect them, so it's as close as I think you can get within their limitations as writers.
It's a hell of a lot better than "The Hobbit".
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Also, another episode that should be listed here is "The China Probrem", which is comparing a movie very few people even remember by now with being held down and repeatedly raped, with a b-story about some Cartman bigotry that doesn't add up to much but the excellent "shooting in the dick" joke.
I'd put Garrison and China Probrem well below any of the ones listed in the original poll.
In most respects this feels like a list of characters based on screen time. Your S and A are all major characters, B is mostly former recurring characters, and F is basically all minor/background characters.
Not to say this is an awful list or anything but certainly doesn't rell me anything about you, which is usually the fun part of these exercises.